alt.ascii-art chat (last 50-60 messages)


llizard 26 Jun. 01:11, from: 209.161.227.143
Hey! My last goodbye was missing!

I'm gone!

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:11, from: 130.240.2.21
> Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:54, from: 129.125.21.1 

(oops! Must have copied a line too many)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:11, from: 130.240.2.21
Joris >> what was he saying about me?????

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:15, from: 129.125.21.1
joris>> het is blijkbaar al gelukt :) Ik zei maar drie keer Veronica
en ze was gelijk nieuwsgierig. Veronica is blijkbaar vrij makkelijk
op stang te jagen. Of niet Veronica? :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:16, from: 130.240.2.21
llizard >> bye! :)

joris 26 Jun. 01:25, from: 194.109.129.8
VK wrote:
Joris >> If what you want to do is gif animations with text art, why
limit yourself to the very strictly defined "ascii art" (and I mean
the "pure" form)? I mean "ascii art" has these limits for a reason, and
that reason is no longer interesting when it comes to gif animations.



I like do make ascii art with all its limitations and I understand
their reasons to be. But those reason don't apply to Javascript
(if I'm not mistaking) at least not all of them.

Paper and ink have their limits with reason to be too:
turning them into gif (animation or not) isn't logical/natural at all.
People do it all the time and nobody says they shouldn't...

Why not take an ascii bunny and turn it into a animated gif?
Because it doesn't fit into the ascii way of seeing things?
Hmmm letters haven't been designed to make drawings, text
editors haven't been designed to make ascii art etc etc...

joris 26 Jun. 01:27, from: 194.109.129.8
Hmmm... I posted this a while back (*hint*hint*):

VKBGER

X___.___.___.___.___.___.
    |
    !       .___.___.___.
    |       |       |
.___!___.___!       !
        |           |
        !       .___!___.


sorry I was writting (it takes me time)

joris 26 Jun. 01:30, from: 194.109.129.8
Shimrod wrote:

joris>> het is blijkbaar al gelukt :) Ik zei maar drie keer Veronica
en ze was gelijk nieuwsgierig. Veronica is blijkbaar vrij makkelijk
op stang te jagen. Of niet Veronica? :)

Ja maar stel je voor dat Veronica begint te schrijven
in het Sweeds met "Shimrod" in plaats van Veronica...
Het lijkt mij niet leuk. Toch?

joris 26 Jun. 01:32, from: 194.109.129.8
VK wrote:
Joris >> what was he saying about me?????

He was saying that.... naah it's better if you ask him.

Anonymous 26 Jun. 01:37, from: 130.240.2.21
Joris >> no, that's right, some of those limitations don't apply to
javascript (I am not an expert at javascript so don't ask me any de-
tailed questions about that), but you can still make the javascript 
"pause" (I have seen such versions) and then copy-and-paste "pure" 
ascii art from the text box. Even in lynx one can still do a "view
page source" and pick out the ascii art.

I'd say it is more logical to turn a "pixel" picture such as one on
paper (ok, very small "pixels") into another pixel image such as gif
than to turn a rough description of an image (which is what an ascii
image really is. It doesn't turn into an "image" until you apply a 
font to it) into a pixel image.

-------------------------

VKBGER

X___.___.___.___.___.___.
    |
    !       .___.___.___.
    |       |       |
.___!___.___!       !
        |           |
        !       .___!___.___.


VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:39, from: 130.240.2.21
That was me. Sorry (had to log out because some pollution turned up
on my screen)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:39, from: 130.240.2.21
Joris >> Shimrod appears to have left the chat.

Herman 26 Jun. 01:42, from: 129.125.21.3
very funny!

Shimrod 26 Jun. 01:43, from: 129.125.21.3
let's see

Shimrod 26 Jun. 01:43, from: 129.125.21.3
Ah, better!

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:43, from: 130.240.2.21
> Zullen we ff Veronica...

likewise!

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:44, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> You have no idea what you just said! :D :D :D :D :D :D

Talk about coincidence! :D :D

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:45, from: 129.125.21.3
> That was me. Sorry (had to log out because some pollution turned up
> on my screen)

I get a very strong feeling I've been had!

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:45, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> The "likewise!" comment was as an answer to your "very 
funny!" comment, and the Dutch was an explanation.

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:46, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> I see. But if you know dutch, and don't know the context, it's very funny :D

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:46, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> meaning that you no longer can open cute little images on
my screen, yes. (ok, translate for me if it was so funny)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:47, from: 129.125.21.3
Let's just say, that by snipping the rest of that sentence, you
turend a perfectly normal sentence into an 'indecent proposal'
and then you responded: likewise :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:49, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> :D:D:D:D:D:D (unintentionally, I assure you)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:50, from: 129.125.21.3
Is joris gone?

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:50, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> Joris appears to have taken a nap.

joris 26 Jun. 01:51, from: 194.109.129.8
anonymous wrote:
Joris >> no, that's right, some of those limitations don't apply to
javascript (I am not an expert at javascript so don't ask me any de-
tailed questions about that), but you can still make the javascript 
"pause" (I have seen such versions) and then copy-and-paste "pure" 
ascii art from the text box. Even in lynx one can still do a "view
page source" and pick out the ascii art.

I'd say it is more logical to turn a "pixel" picture such as one on
paper (ok, very small "pixels") into another pixel image such as gif
than to turn a rough description of an image (which is what an ascii
image really is. It doesn't turn into an "image" until you apply a 
font to it) into a pixel image.






Hi there,

Of course you can do with javascript some things that a gif
animation can't but the opposite is also true.
I assume that you don't draw yourself. If you did you'd probably
have my kind of logic who says that an ascii drawing is
already in the computer and thus nearer the gif than some ink
(or whatever) on paper.

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:51, from: 129.125.21.3
The same way I did? Or by his own choice? :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:52, from: 130.240.2.21
PC has answered!

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:53, from: 129.125.21.3
Sick!

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:55, from: 130.240.2.21
Joris >> "don't draw myself"? As in do I do any kind of non-computerised
"art work"? Sure, but as a computer science kind of girl I also know 
what happens inside a computer and there are _miles_ between ascii and
gif. (you make oil paintings on canvas, not paper, right? Why? Because
you have some feeling for why making an oil painting on paper might be
a bad idea...?)

Shimrod >> lets just say my newly installed Dutch filter kicked in...

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:55, from: 129.125.21.3
But, oh well, let's get back to more important things (anything, that is) :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:56, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> :D:D::D (I assume you are talking of a certain humourless
plagiarist)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:57, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>>dutch filter? did you know 'filter' is a dutch word? so is 'is', and many more :)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:57, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> Well let's just say that Doug Wilson seems like a very healthy guy to me :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 01:59, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> I didn't know that was a Dutch word.  :)
Doug Wilson could almost qualify to become an asciigang*****

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:00, from: 129.125.21.3
joris>> I must agree with veronica on that (being a CompSci guy too).
There's miles and miles between the two.

Let's say it like this. It's not that I wouldn't like seeing your art
in gif form, but I get a strong feeling that PC will start ranting
about it immediately, which I don't like :(

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:01, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> And how about 'Veronica' which is a dutch TV-station :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:02, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> PC ranting about it has nothing to do with the technical 
aspects of the matter. That's more of a political issue. I mean, there
really isn't anything wrong with his "TAP", until he starts to try to
pass it off as ascii art and/or advertise in aaa.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:03, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> Veronica is a biblical name, not a Dutch name.

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:06, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> Exactly. But it's one of the darker sides of a.a-a
My comment on seeing Joris' art in gif from was more to say
that I really like his work, than to say that I'd rather see
it in gif form, than in ASCII form (I don't)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:07, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> I know. Herman is probably an old germanic name (meaning warrior :D)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:07, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> That last comment from you just doesn't parse. What do you
mean?

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:08, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> "herreman" = "gentleman" in Swedish...

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:09, from: 129.125.21.3
I mean:
I like Joris' art. So I like seeing it (in any form)
But, I'd rather see it in ASCII form than in GIF form.
So, My comment was not pro-GIF, but pro-Joris :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:09, from: 130.240.2.21
(as in "stinking rich nobleman", nothing else)

joris 26 Jun. 02:10, from: 194.109.129.8
VK wrote>>

Joris >> "don't draw myself"? As in do I do any kind of non-computerised
"art work"? Sure, but as a computer science kind of girl I also know 
what happens inside a computer and there are _miles_ between ascii and
gif. (you make oil paintings on canvas, not paper, right? Why? Because
you have some feeling for why making an oil painting on paper might be


Not true!!!!
A canvas has been prepeared for oil painting, you can the same with
paper. It's even commonly used.
Painting on a non-prepeared canvas: that IS a bad idea even if
it has also been done (modern art you know).
Well I'm an "arti" kind of guy and spending hours/days to make
drawings for an animation, scaning them, retouching them in photoshop,
seems gives me the feeling that I have had better used ascii
art drawings.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:10, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> how could any comment be anything but pro-Joris?

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:10, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> Herr is Army in german. Man is man in many languages.
So: Army-man = warrior (or maybe soldier is a better translation)
 

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:13, from: 129.125.21.3
VK>> I agree :)
But that was just the point I was trying to make.
I didn't want to say: "I don't like seeing your art",
so I said "I like seeing your art"

joris 26 Jun. 02:13, from: 194.109.129.8
woah! I'm getting tired, my English gets worth     :)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:14, from: 129.125.21.3
joris>> Well, just speak dutch then :) I'll understand...

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:17, from: 130.240.2.21
Joris >> I was trying to make an analogy. Please don't try to take that
analogy any further than "ordinairy paper (which has been prepared for
drawing on with a pencil) is not a good thing to make oil paintings on".
Also bear in mind what it means to be an "artist" (the Swedish word for
artist is a better example for this, as it means "somebody who knows 
how", but I wouldn't try to explain it in detail in English). It means 
that you know how things work and why some things are not so good to do.
E.g. a painter should know why using a certain pigment is better than 
using another pigment, even if they produce very similar colours on the
finished painting (until you look at the painting after 50 years of 
exposure to the sun and see that that bad pigment has bleached). The 
same way a computer artist should know what happens "under the surface"
on a computer. Being an artist isn't only about getting the lines right.

joris 26 Jun. 02:18, from: 194.109.129.8
Shimrod>>

Yes, but I'm French and my Duch is probably getting worth too   :D

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:19, from: 130.240.2.21
Shimrod >> whatever  :) (on the "Herman" issue). Veronica means "the
true image".

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:19, from: 129.125.21.3
joris>> Well, I speak a little french... :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:20, from: 130.240.2.21
[I don't speak any French]

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:20, from: 129.125.21.3
joris>> Well, I speak a little french... :)

Shimrod [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:20, from: 129.125.21.3
Je parle un petit puet francais.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 02:28, from: 130.240.2.21
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