alt.ascii-art chat (last 50-60 messages)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:05, from: 130.240.2.21

129.125.21.1 >> That was in the rules that we got, yes.

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you really don't want to know>> Oh, but I DO want to know!


Shanaka, is that you?

llizard >>
So do your animations LOOK like ASCII-animation

If by "ascii animations" you mean JavaScript animations,
I'd answer -yes- and my personal opinion is that they look better.

1) because their are not in a 'window' like the one I'm writting
   in now.
2) because they are more stable (they don't flikker like
   javascript animations do)

But I'm a little worried about the speed.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:06, from: 130.240.2.21

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joris>> You should be able to adjust the speed easily in a gif animation.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:07, from: 130.240.2.21

Joris >> Technically I would call a javascript ascii animation an 
"ascii animation" and a gif animation "a gif animation". A gif animation
cannot be an ascii animation because it is not ascii that is animated,
it just _looks_like_ ascii but it _is_not_ ascii.

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But you didn't use it.


That way you can score multiple points in one turn:


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to:

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Joris>> Of course, VK is right about the technicality of it. The javascript
animation is still text driven

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:09, from: 130.240.2.21

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I only find _one_ box here. How could you possibly claim to have
_two_ points?!?!?!?!?

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llizard>> VK knows who I am (by the IP). But I'm off. Bye

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If I knew which rule was missing, it wouldn't be a missing rule  :)

you really don't want to know>> Oops, I forgot.

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:10, from: 130.240.2.21

> But you didn't use it.

I take it that was  meant for llizard, since she's the only one who's
got a point so far? (We have decided that the text box is the paper and
sets the limits for the game)

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you really don't want to know>> Bye bye then. Thanks for the rule!

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:12, from: 130.240.2.21

VKBGER

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LLIZARD >> PLEASE note, I did not play, I just "highlighted" the only
box you have completed so far!

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:13, from: 130.240.2.21

llizard >> what DO you mean?????????

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llizard wrote:

You should be able to adjust the speed easily
in a gif animation.

Yes it's easy to do but what I mean is that 5/100 of a second
on my pentium is not the same as 5/100 sec on my 486.
And Netscape render gif animation slower than MSIE.
Boy I hate that!
Do you have the same kind of problems with javaSript?

VK>> No I know. But the person who claimed that I didn't want to know
who it was reminded me that if I complete a square, I get to draw another
line. And I forgot to draw another one!

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Joris>> "Yes it's easy to do but what I mean is that 5/100 of a second
on my pentium is not the same as 5/100 sec on my 486.
And Netscape render gif animation slower than MSIE."

They do??? Grrr. HOw I loathe MSIE

And how can 5/100 of a second be different from machine to machine. I mean, really!

As far as I can tell, the Javascript ones run at the same speed on
MSIE and Netscape, but I haven't looked too much because I get stark
raving mad when I look at them in my MSIE 3.0 because the fools there
use a proportional font in the window.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:20, from: 130.240.2.21

llizard >> that was not the point at all. You did not make that second
point because you never did make a second box. this is my last move:

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To which you answered:

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Which is _wrong_ since it only contains _one_ finished box, so you
_cannot_ have got two points at this stage! The part about you forgetting
to use the second move must have been after that first point you made,
but that was a long time ago and I do not remember what the game looked
like then. I guess the only way to solve _that_ would be to start over.

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:23, from: 130.240.2.21

> And how can 5/100 of a second be different from machine to machine. I mean, really!

Probably the same way #0000ff can be different from one machine to another...

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VK>>
"To which you answered:

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Which is _wrong_ since it only contains _one_ finished box, so you
_cannot_ have got two points at this stage! The part about you forgetting
to use the second move must have been after that first point you made,
but that was a long time ago and I do not remember what the game looked
like then. I guess the only way to solve _that_ would be to start over."

No no. I tried to show you that I DID finish a box. Whoever that was that
claimed we didn't want to know who it was reminded me that if I finish
a box, I get to add another line.

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veronica>> I see the difference between gif animation
and javascript, but for me an ascii drawing is more "drawing"
than it is "ascii". My animations are animated drawings in the
first place. I chose to do gif animations because you don't need a
plug-in to wiew them. JavaScript... is too abstract for me.

llizard>> bigger boxes don't count. The big box with the 2 in it isn't
worth a point (it'll be worth 4 points when it's been filled)

VK>> I understand how colours can vary, but time?

you really don't want to know>>

Says who? They always counted when I played this with my sister!

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llizard>> says me! I'm an expert in this field! :)

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:29, from: 130.240.2.21

llizard >> No. If you accept "large boxes" you will get seriously cross-
eyed if you are to finish a game the size of an A4 paper (or even just
the text box in this chat). I cannot imagine that you could possibly
count a "large box" as a point. The anonymous somebody must have meant
that you didn't use your possibility to add a second line after you
got that first point - especially since that person posted BEFORE you 
claimed to get a point for your "large box". . . [shall we start over,
without "large boxes"?]

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llizard>>
I understand how colours can vary, but time?

Watches don't always render time as well as they should.

Who is this stranger who claims that completing a large box is not the
same as completing a small box.

A box is a box, no matter what size.
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llizard>> the way times can vary is:

Some process (the animation) tells the computer: "wake me up in 50 msecs"
The computer however says: "I;m kinda busy right now, I'll wake you up when I feel like it"

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:33, from: 130.240.2.21

> veronica>> I see the difference between gif animation
> and javascript, but for me an ascii drawing is more "drawing"
> than it is "ascii". My animations are animated drawings in the
> first place. I chose to do gif animations because you don't need a
> plug-in to wiew them. JavaScript... is too abstract for me.

You can't copy-and-paste in a gif. You can copy-and-paste in a textbox.

You can't get the original ascii art back in a gif with less than if 
you re-type the entire thing. You can get the original ascii art from
a javascript animation by simply "decoding" it (something which a rela-
tively simple program could very easily do).

I would classify a gif animation that is based on an ascii animation
as "text art", but not as "ascii art".

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The computer however says:
"I;m kinda busy right now, I'll wake you up when I feel like it"


a bit like me    :)

llizard>> If a large box is the same as a small one, I'd love to be
there when you decide to move. :)

Joris, but most new watches are pretty darn close.

Rats!! I keep forgetting to add the

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 ! on the ends of my questions.

Perhaps I'll just put several in a row, and when I forget again, you can
take one from this bank.

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Certainly, VK, we can begin again with these strange limiting overseas rules.

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:34, from: 130.240.2.21

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Hello Shimrod!

I never claimed that the boxes were the same! I just said that they were
both boxes.

Oh please, please, please, can't someone change the subject and put me
out of my misery???

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:37, from: 130.240.2.21

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You can't copy-and-paste in a gif. You can copy-and-paste in a textbox.

You can't get the original ascii art back in a gif with less than if 
you re-type the entire thing. You can get the original ascii art from
a javascript animation by simply "decoding" it (something which a rela-
tively simple program could very easily do).

I would classify a gif animation that is based on an ascii animation
as "text art", but not as "ascii art".



I can't copy and paste a gif but I can insert a gif anywhere
in my animation. Text boxes are ugly.
I don't need to do whatever you mean above because I keep
originals of all my drawings. If a third person want to do whatever
you mean above: he is out of luck...

I never said that my animations were "ascii-art animations".
Like I said before to me ascii drawings are drawings before
beeing ascii. If I animate pencil drawings I animate the
drawings not the pencil technic.

Shimrod>>
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      < \/  \ ha ...no problem!
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VK>> I think Joris may have you there. He isn't claiming that they are
ascii animations. They just use ascii art for the animation subject.

Joris>> Where are these animations of yours?

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      < \/  \ ha ...no problem!
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        Tsssssssssss....

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where were we???


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Shimrod>>
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Hmm, I have a feeling something bad is gonna happen to my dragon :)

I just saw a boxer....

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VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:50, from: 130.240.2.21

> Text boxes are ugly.

Text boxes are browser-dependent. If you find them ugly then get a 
browser that has prettier text boxes. So what if _you_ keep originals
of your drawings (of course you do), I still don't see how that affects
the argument that gif animations could not possibly be classified as
"ascii animations". My argument is about what the animation is "made
of" and what technical qualities it has. In ascii art I feel that a
third person _should_ be able to copy-and-paste and "un-animate" an
animation. I feel that one should be able to find the ascii in the art-
work (animated or not).

:-/

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Hi Shimrod,
Watch out for the flying llizard.

VK [email] [home] 26 Jun. 00:52, from: 130.240.2.21

> I think Joris may have you there. He isn't claiming that they are
> ascii animations. They just use ascii art for the animation subject.

Then why use ascii art at all??? Why not use ink and paper and scan
the images?

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